Such a pity that (like the contemporaneous film about the Scopes Trial "Inherit the Wind") it was made at a time when the names had to be fictionalised. This is quite a good representation of the Leopld-and-Loeb trial, but it rather delicately steps past the homosexual element – although it implies it briefly – and adds the totally fictitious character of the girl who "understands" Leopold. For the record, Loeb was knifed to death by another prisoner in the 1930s. Leopold served a 35 year sentence and was released in the year this film was made. Because of the renewed publicity about the case stirred up by this film, he chose to go the Puerto Rico to get away from it, and spent his remaining years there.
The closing remarks were very boring to me. Because there's not much difference between the death-penalry and life-without-parole.
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Thanks for posting this great movie. I was looking for Rope,and saw this.
I confirmed after watching this film that you should never trust someone who refers to their mother as "mummy" unless they're below the age of 12 or keeps stuffed birds. Also just a hunch but i wondered whether Judd and Arthur were secretly a couple, moral instability notwithstanding. Judd is unusually dependent and almost 'yearning' for Arthur constantly and "wanting him to command him"??? It's a LIIIIIIIIITTLE bit fishy 0_0 i'm intrigued to know what got them to that point in their overall relationship. Thoughts anyone?
59:04 The real killer actually did speak fourteen languages though I think he learned most of them later in life. Incredible film.
One of the Hollywood trifecta on Crime and Punishment along with the Boston Strangler and In Cold Blood. Thanks for the great transfer with crisp nicely lit images and that good taste also evident in the Jane Greer icon and a pity Out of the Past not similarly honored on YT.
The Super intellect,leaves his glasses at the crime scene!
This is Good but Just cannot get into it so gonna give up on it 21 mins in. No doubt some OW fans will think me a philistine but life is to short to watcvh movies you aren't enjoying. Enjoy all.
I had never seen this before today, although I had seen Hitchcock's Rope, both magnificent in their own right, thanks for posting because when I watched earlier, I came in on it and now able to see it all. Thanks ago ;0
its quite good movie
I never knew Captain Stubing was a flat foot before joining the cruise industry.
To answer brother Max's question (8:55): No Judd and his "friend" Artie never chase girls ???
More interesting than Rope, Hitchcock’s rendition of the two upper class boys, Leopold and Loeb, executed for the infamous murder of a child with malice aforethought and in cold blood.
Socialist/atheist types always make the killer the victim. Very twisted.
Oscar Goldman!
Always loved this movie and the UCLA location shots. My alma mater.
Orson Welles makes a lot of fallacious arguments but what you see is the beginning of a turn in culture where people started to blames society or the family or the "Man" or whatever excuse you want that culminates in the 1960s. This is the beginning of liberalism and the feeling of guilt that a wealthy society has for itself, where the children are spoiled, point the finger at their parents and don't have to account for themselves. The ME generation of finding yourself finds itself in the 60s as a permissive, hedonistic and anything goes hippies. The false idealism of Welles of LOVE manifests in the LUV culture and easy loving. This is in someway the rebellion of the communist script writers in Hollywood to twist America up, make it feel guilt and divisive. It plays on feeling LOVE, on Christianity, on compassion, on feeling good about oneself. But many of the people who go to prison for horrendous crimes come out and continue to murder. In some ways justice is not served… If Welles doesn't know justice, why is he there? Who can't say it just to hang them — the boys themselves felt they should have been hanged. They claim that would have been "compassionate." And when has compassionate punishment and leniency stopped anything. Usually it is an incentive to carry on and continue to make matters worse. Yes, give the boys compassion and leniency if they look like they are going to benefit from it. Here they are not remorseful or contrite and society's compassion is actually torture worse than death to the boys. What an ironic twist for the twisted.
But the bottom line is the Welles sized up the judge and knew he could not sentence the boys to death. It was a shrewd decision on his part.
@1:07:46 Welles appears and disappears into his character … except his voice. He can never disguise his voice nor would you ever want him to.
drinking out of a flask ha
Such a pity that (like the contemporaneous film about the Scopes Trial "Inherit the Wind") it was made at a time when the names had to be fictionalised. This is quite a good representation of the Leopld-and-Loeb trial, but it rather delicately steps past the homosexual element – although it implies it briefly – and adds the totally fictitious character of the girl who "understands" Leopold. For the record, Loeb was knifed to death by another prisoner in the 1930s. Leopold served a 35 year sentence and was released in the year this film was made. Because of the renewed publicity about the case stirred up by this film, he chose to go the Puerto Rico to get away from it, and spent his remaining years there.
The closing remarks were very boring to me. Because there's not much difference between the death-penalry and life-without-parole.
⁰
Thanks for posting this great movie. I was looking for Rope,and saw this.
I confirmed after watching this film that you should never trust someone who refers to their mother as "mummy" unless they're below the age of 12 or keeps stuffed birds. Also just a hunch but i wondered whether Judd and Arthur were secretly a couple, moral instability notwithstanding. Judd is unusually dependent and almost 'yearning' for Arthur constantly and "wanting him to command him"??? It's a LIIIIIIIIITTLE bit fishy 0_0 i'm intrigued to know what got them to that point in their overall relationship. Thoughts anyone?
59:04 The real killer actually did speak fourteen languages though I think he learned most of them later in life. Incredible film.
One of the Hollywood trifecta on Crime and Punishment along with the Boston Strangler and In Cold Blood. Thanks for the great transfer with crisp nicely lit images and that good taste also evident in the Jane Greer icon and a pity Out of the Past not similarly honored on YT.
The Super intellect,leaves his glasses at the crime scene!
This is Good but Just cannot get into it so gonna give up on it 21 mins in. No doubt some OW fans will think me a philistine but life is to short to watcvh movies you aren't enjoying. Enjoy all.
I had never seen this before today, although I had seen Hitchcock's Rope, both magnificent in their own right, thanks for posting because when I watched earlier, I came in on it and now able to see it all. Thanks ago ;0
its quite good movie
I never knew Captain Stubing was a flat foot before joining the cruise industry.
To answer brother Max's question (8:55): No Judd and his "friend" Artie never chase girls ???
More interesting than Rope, Hitchcock’s rendition of the two upper class boys, Leopold and Loeb, executed for the infamous murder of a child with malice aforethought and in cold blood.
Socialist/atheist types always make the killer the victim. Very twisted.
Oscar Goldman!
Always loved this movie and the UCLA location shots. My alma mater.
Orson Welles makes a lot of fallacious arguments but what you see is the beginning of a turn in culture where people started to blames society or the family or the "Man" or whatever excuse you want that culminates in the 1960s. This is the beginning of liberalism and the feeling of guilt that a wealthy society has for itself, where the children are spoiled, point the finger at their parents and don't have to account for themselves. The ME generation of finding yourself finds itself in the 60s as a permissive, hedonistic and anything goes hippies. The false idealism of Welles of LOVE manifests in the LUV culture and easy loving. This is in someway the rebellion of the communist script writers in Hollywood to twist America up, make it feel guilt and divisive. It plays on feeling LOVE, on Christianity, on compassion, on feeling good about oneself. But many of the people who go to prison for horrendous crimes come out and continue to murder. In some ways justice is not served… If Welles doesn't know justice, why is he there? Who can't say it just to hang them — the boys themselves felt they should have been hanged. They claim that would have been "compassionate." And when has compassionate punishment and leniency stopped anything. Usually it is an incentive to carry on and continue to make matters worse. Yes, give the boys compassion and leniency if they look like they are going to benefit from it. Here they are not remorseful or contrite and society's compassion is actually torture worse than death to the boys. What an ironic twist for the twisted.
But the bottom line is the Welles sized up the judge and knew he could not sentence the boys to death. It was a shrewd decision on his part.
@1:07:46 Welles appears and disappears into his character … except his voice. He can never disguise his voice nor would you ever want him to.
That boy is sick as ish…
WELLES SPEECH AT THE END IS TOO LONG.